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читать дальшеHAHA and we all know what happens with “it all started with an idea”. marvel really loves it’s doomsday “this is the beginning of the end” thing but like that’s pretty much what being tony stark is all about. the endless variables and possibilities he simultaneously has to come to terms with and learn to solve, to constantly be coming up with new ideas to prevent problems and protect lives. he sees every worst possible outcome, every darkest timeline, every single negative that’ll outweigh the eventual positive because tony stark is a fucking pessimist with that undying idealistic streak who thinks that no matter what he’s gotta keep pushing until he can eventually pull through. and even then it won’t be enough so it’s just forwards and upwards always.
and you know what i’m warming more to the idea of Tony being the creator of Ultron because it makes sense, for his universe and his context, for him to have done it. he’s not getting any younger, and at the same time he’s been through the risks and the very real possibility of losing everything in a single battle. it’s not that much a stretch to think about ok what happens next time? what happens next time that one of us isn’t strong or fast or sharp enough to miss that blow or bullet? and he’s not just thinking about himself here, it’s all of them. it’s the team. it’s these people he let into his home and welcomed inside his tower so he could make a family out of a team. because he gives a fuck whether or not these people live and die and if there’s a chance that they can live to see old age and have decent lives then dammit he’s going to give it his best shot at trying to make that happen for them.
is he tempting fate? is he playing god? is he being a beautiful glorious hubristic asshole who thinks he can remake technology into his image so his creations might protect the world in his and the team’s place? of course he is. but that’s part of what makes him such a terrible brilliant tragedy.
ah to be burdened with a mind like tony stark’s. to be burdened with the kind of genius that you couldn’t silence even if you tried. there’s that other part that’s so intrinsically linked to the thing that drives tony to do what he does: guilt. guilt over the things he does and the things he doesn’t. all the amazing, innovative things he’s put his mind to creating and inventing and still, at the end, he’s only managed to wrought more death and destruction from his genius. after all he’s done, he’s never going to be able shake that epitaph merchant of death. because the whole point of donning the suit and being someone who Wasn’t Tony Stark was to atone. to repent. to be able to be someone else for a moment and do the brave and heroic things a good man would do.
and then it all comes crashing down on his head. because tony starks of any universe can’t have nice things. ever.
idk i know i’ve been saying for some time now that tony suddenly allying as pro-reg which would be such a dramatic swing but rdj’s right here in that there is a natural progression in terms of real world events. you can’t look at mcu’s timeline of: battle of nyc –> fall of SHIELD/rise of HYDRA -> attack of ultron directly caused by tony, and not expect some shift to happen in tony’s thinking. at this point, maybe it is very much a move driven by guilt and the need to do penance for his hand in the damage ultron causes. we still have no idea where the end of AOU leaves the team but apparently it’s going to leave them in some sort of ‘splintered’ state (someone holla if that’s totally wrong, i’m just remembering vaguely here).
so for tony to go through the process of look at what i’ve done here and then to look towards the government, already knowing what they’re thinking and what they’d want to do, is fairly logical and in line with his comic world thinking. for those that aren’t familiar with the comics background: it was never about trusting the government. tony unequivocally did not trust them, but that’s only something we learn later on through the things we have to hear secondhand about what he did (e.g. hiring other people to attack him/the pro-reg side and his overall expectation that pro-reg would fail and the government would have to negotiate better terms with anti-reg).
for tony, choosing to side with the government to pass legislation that forced superheroes to register was the lesser of two evils. it was swallowing the inevitable by cooperating with a possible enemy that would become less of a problem if superheroes/humans were able to have a direct say in what was going on from the very beginning. despite knowing the superhero community would turn him into a national pariah, and that steve rogers would hate him, he swallowed it all down and did it anyway. because to have even a shred of control in the government forcing superheroes to turn themselves in and mark their names down on a registry was better than to have no control at all.
people that are getting all pissy about captain america’s story taking on a darker tone are a) seriously missing out on chris’ superb acting range and skills (see puncture and snowpiercer for phenomenal examples) and b) missing the point entirely. steve rogers is a fully three dimensional human being. but so is captain america. and maybe mcu has never and will never reach the dark, grittier levels that 616 has delved into but that doesn’t mean steve isn’t as fully capable of these things.
in 616’s civil war, both sides do terrible things to each other. near unforgivable things. both sides are guilty. and steve, as captain america, is all about making those tough calls, those hard choices where doing the right thing becomes increasingly more difficult. what kind of boring audience expects their heroes to be only good and innocent? or only good but endlessly suffering? a good superhero film is one that can make it’s protagonists question their morals, their ideals, the very things they’ve based their entire idea of who they are as superheroes upon. they batter them down, crush them into the ground, make them bleed and force them to fight against their friends and allies –– and then they see what kind of man walks out of it.
people who are still asking the question ‘but why do we need to see captain america being a bad guy’ or ‘is tony going to be a bad guy??’ (interestingly enough, note the use of captain america the superhero vs. Just Tony when people try to drag names through the mud.) are the kind of people that make studios think they either have to go ALL gritty dark brooding hero who broods a lot. no. that’s not a thing. a hero can be capable of falling. but they can also be capable of standing back up and fighting even when they think they’re done. if ca3 is going to be anything worth watching then it’s going to try its damnedest to do both.
at the end of the day i wouldn’t trust whedon as far as i could throw him but rdj??? yeah. he gets it man. he knows his tony stark. and he’s going to play the hell out of him in whatever remaining movies he’ll be in.
Дауни не дурак, но и фанаты не дремлют.
читать дальшеHAHA and we all know what happens with “it all started with an idea”. marvel really loves it’s doomsday “this is the beginning of the end” thing but like that’s pretty much what being tony stark is all about. the endless variables and possibilities he simultaneously has to come to terms with and learn to solve, to constantly be coming up with new ideas to prevent problems and protect lives. he sees every worst possible outcome, every darkest timeline, every single negative that’ll outweigh the eventual positive because tony stark is a fucking pessimist with that undying idealistic streak who thinks that no matter what he’s gotta keep pushing until he can eventually pull through. and even then it won’t be enough so it’s just forwards and upwards always.
and you know what i’m warming more to the idea of Tony being the creator of Ultron because it makes sense, for his universe and his context, for him to have done it. he’s not getting any younger, and at the same time he’s been through the risks and the very real possibility of losing everything in a single battle. it’s not that much a stretch to think about ok what happens next time? what happens next time that one of us isn’t strong or fast or sharp enough to miss that blow or bullet? and he’s not just thinking about himself here, it’s all of them. it’s the team. it’s these people he let into his home and welcomed inside his tower so he could make a family out of a team. because he gives a fuck whether or not these people live and die and if there’s a chance that they can live to see old age and have decent lives then dammit he’s going to give it his best shot at trying to make that happen for them.
is he tempting fate? is he playing god? is he being a beautiful glorious hubristic asshole who thinks he can remake technology into his image so his creations might protect the world in his and the team’s place? of course he is. but that’s part of what makes him such a terrible brilliant tragedy.
ah to be burdened with a mind like tony stark’s. to be burdened with the kind of genius that you couldn’t silence even if you tried. there’s that other part that’s so intrinsically linked to the thing that drives tony to do what he does: guilt. guilt over the things he does and the things he doesn’t. all the amazing, innovative things he’s put his mind to creating and inventing and still, at the end, he’s only managed to wrought more death and destruction from his genius. after all he’s done, he’s never going to be able shake that epitaph merchant of death. because the whole point of donning the suit and being someone who Wasn’t Tony Stark was to atone. to repent. to be able to be someone else for a moment and do the brave and heroic things a good man would do.
and then it all comes crashing down on his head. because tony starks of any universe can’t have nice things. ever.
idk i know i’ve been saying for some time now that tony suddenly allying as pro-reg which would be such a dramatic swing but rdj’s right here in that there is a natural progression in terms of real world events. you can’t look at mcu’s timeline of: battle of nyc –> fall of SHIELD/rise of HYDRA -> attack of ultron directly caused by tony, and not expect some shift to happen in tony’s thinking. at this point, maybe it is very much a move driven by guilt and the need to do penance for his hand in the damage ultron causes. we still have no idea where the end of AOU leaves the team but apparently it’s going to leave them in some sort of ‘splintered’ state (someone holla if that’s totally wrong, i’m just remembering vaguely here).
so for tony to go through the process of look at what i’ve done here and then to look towards the government, already knowing what they’re thinking and what they’d want to do, is fairly logical and in line with his comic world thinking. for those that aren’t familiar with the comics background: it was never about trusting the government. tony unequivocally did not trust them, but that’s only something we learn later on through the things we have to hear secondhand about what he did (e.g. hiring other people to attack him/the pro-reg side and his overall expectation that pro-reg would fail and the government would have to negotiate better terms with anti-reg).
for tony, choosing to side with the government to pass legislation that forced superheroes to register was the lesser of two evils. it was swallowing the inevitable by cooperating with a possible enemy that would become less of a problem if superheroes/humans were able to have a direct say in what was going on from the very beginning. despite knowing the superhero community would turn him into a national pariah, and that steve rogers would hate him, he swallowed it all down and did it anyway. because to have even a shred of control in the government forcing superheroes to turn themselves in and mark their names down on a registry was better than to have no control at all.
people that are getting all pissy about captain america’s story taking on a darker tone are a) seriously missing out on chris’ superb acting range and skills (see puncture and snowpiercer for phenomenal examples) and b) missing the point entirely. steve rogers is a fully three dimensional human being. but so is captain america. and maybe mcu has never and will never reach the dark, grittier levels that 616 has delved into but that doesn’t mean steve isn’t as fully capable of these things.
in 616’s civil war, both sides do terrible things to each other. near unforgivable things. both sides are guilty. and steve, as captain america, is all about making those tough calls, those hard choices where doing the right thing becomes increasingly more difficult. what kind of boring audience expects their heroes to be only good and innocent? or only good but endlessly suffering? a good superhero film is one that can make it’s protagonists question their morals, their ideals, the very things they’ve based their entire idea of who they are as superheroes upon. they batter them down, crush them into the ground, make them bleed and force them to fight against their friends and allies –– and then they see what kind of man walks out of it.
people who are still asking the question ‘but why do we need to see captain america being a bad guy’ or ‘is tony going to be a bad guy??’ (interestingly enough, note the use of captain america the superhero vs. Just Tony when people try to drag names through the mud.) are the kind of people that make studios think they either have to go ALL gritty dark brooding hero who broods a lot. no. that’s not a thing. a hero can be capable of falling. but they can also be capable of standing back up and fighting even when they think they’re done. if ca3 is going to be anything worth watching then it’s going to try its damnedest to do both.
at the end of the day i wouldn’t trust whedon as far as i could throw him but rdj??? yeah. he gets it man. he knows his tony stark. and he’s going to play the hell out of him in whatever remaining movies he’ll be in.